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Post by Tatiana on Sept 7, 2004 9:48:05 GMT 3
They weren't just maniacs enjoying this thing, they came there for a reason: to ask Mr. idtiotic Putin to withdraw the troops from Chechnya. I totally understand why they did it, but what I'm not getting is why President Putin just doesn't withdraw the troops from Chechnya? If Chechnya wants to be fully independent, then by all means, let them! It's less worry for the Russians!...and definitely less terroist attacks!! Another thing that I don't get is why, out of all places, target a school!?  Why don't they target sumthing that doesn't involve innocent children?!! This can only be considered as barbaric action by the Chechayns!! |
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Post by Myke on Sept 7, 2004 10:48:38 GMT 3
I totally understand why they did it, but what I'm not getting is why President Putin just doesn't withdraw the troops from Chechnya? If Chechnya wants to be fully independent, then by all means, let them! It's less worry for the Russians!...and definitely less terroist attacks!! Another thing that I don't get is why, out of all places, target a school!? Why don't they target sumthing that doesn't involve innocent children?!! This can only be considered as barbaric action by the Chechayns!! From what I understood from some Russia expert, is that Putin is afraid that Russia will fall apart when he gives Chechnya away...  And ofcourse, there's no excuse for what those people did to the innocent children and people in the school. Especially when you know yourself how horrible that is. |
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Post by sirius on Sept 7, 2004 11:40:09 GMT 3
hey vass, u're back! i realise that the attacks by the chechens are not just about terrorism and i agree that the russian troops have done some unspeakable things in chechnya as well. it's a vicious cycle that won't stop cos of the ego of man, the need to exert his will over others.  |
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Post by Neo on Sept 7, 2004 13:46:25 GMT 3
Hey, Vass! How was your vacation? I agree that those people are desperate and the only things they can now resort to are terrorist acts (hostage taking, kamikaze bombers and so on...), but I think they have to realise that it's not gonna work with Putin. And the sooner they realise that, the better. Putin probably has his own agenda with Chechnya, he's not gonna give it up, it's so obvious. Who knows what the real interests behind this whole war are ...  |
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Post by chiefbjules on Sept 8, 2004 0:48:15 GMT 3
Unfortunately seems that Putin is going to use this as an excuse to NOT work with the Chechens. We are hearing today he refuses to talk to child killers. As we say here, that is a bit of the pot calling the kettle black.
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Post by Chiro on Sept 8, 2004 14:22:37 GMT 3
hey everyone i haven't been around in ages, i know.... firstly i can't believe Marat lost (but i can sort of.. you know what i mean?).... but more importantly.... i heard some really bad news.. this is why it has taken me so long to post on the forum.... by brother in law is russian and his sisters family who i have met... live in Beslan... ... his sister and her children were at that school... his brother in-law was working... his sister and one of her sons was let free.... the other was killed my brother in law has just flown over there to comfort them.... i spoke to her recently like for a couple of minutes.... whenever i hear about this.. and i have just read all your posts.. i keep crying.. im still crying.... and the worst thing is I know what the Chechayns are growing through.... im muslim and i have family who have been the subject of many attrocities... but now the world makes no SENSE...... i just can't do anything anymore... the fact that ive met these kids and his GONE... it kills me inside.. to see so much hate.... i just wanted to let you guys know what is happening in case you don't hear from me in ages.... right now my like SUCKS... everything is falling apart.... one of my really really good friends was hit by a car where the driver was drinking and died.... im doin my exams right now..... srew them.... i have learnt that life is WAY too short..... and at the moment WAY too screwed up.... what makes me more FRUSTRATED and UPSET is that we don't learn from our past.... the same idealogies exist that existed in WWI and WWII... mark my words... if this continues... WWIII is going to start.. if this isn't already an indicator.... too much F**ked up people in this world.... and NO.. those terrorists from Chechaynia or anywhere else are NOT muslims.... muslims don't do or think to do those kinds of things... if you do... you are not following Islam... Islam stands for peace... peace be with you Chirine *until the my world settles* i'll see you guys later.... *hopefully* |
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Post by Magda on Sept 8, 2004 16:12:22 GMT 3
My God!!! Chiro this is so terrible!!!! There are no words to describe how sorry I feel . And I know that there aren't any words that would make you feel better, so I'll just shut up. But be strong girl, even though it's hard to believe - everyhing will be okay  |
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Post by Myke on Sept 8, 2004 18:14:43 GMT 3
Chiro.... I feel awful reading your story.
I wish all the best for your brother in law and his family, and for you ofcourse. This must be devastating...
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Post by Teresa on Sept 8, 2004 22:30:27 GMT 3
Oh Chiro, what devastating and sad news.
My deepest sympathies to you, and your brother in law and his family on their loss.
My sympathies to you also on the lost of your friend.
What terrible wastes of life.
I realize this is a very difficult time for you, the world simply does not make sense, and life and everything must seem so pointless to you at this time, but try to find the strength, courage and wisdom to get through your exams, I am sure your friend and your brother in laws family would want you to get through them.
I hope too that your brother in law and his family can find strenght, courage and wisdom to face and confront the future in a world as you said simply does not make sense anymore.
I know this is so true Muslims, true followers of Islam stand for peace, and there is no connection between the terriorists and the political process in Chechnya.
It kills me too, to see so much hate and sadness.
If we don't hear from you its quite understandable, just know that we are thinking of you, and wish you and your family comfort, and peace.
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Post by me on Sept 8, 2004 23:16:39 GMT 3
Ow god Chiro, that's so awful!!! I'm sorry for you girl!!!
lots of strength to you and your family!!!!!!
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Post by Damita on Sept 8, 2004 23:50:04 GMT 3
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Post by Tatiana on Sept 9, 2004 5:00:20 GMT 3
Chiro, I was absoloutely DEVASTED when I read your post! I can not even imagine how you feel right now! May you please take some comfort in knowing that we all sympathise for you, your family and anyone else who has been directly affected by this horrendous experience!!
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Post by sirius on Sept 9, 2004 8:37:35 GMT 3
Chirine... i'm so sorry to hear about this. It must be an awful period of time you're going through. Take care...
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Post by Vassily on Sept 9, 2004 11:08:32 GMT 3
Chirine, that's just terrible. But as someone's grand mother used to say: "this too shall pass". Sorry to hear about your friend and your family. I feel deeply for you and know what you're going through.
But seriusly, you shouldn't blame the terrorists. Read their biographies and you'll see: "Family deceased (in a war conflict)". They are doing to Russians what the Russians did to them. I don't approave such policy, but I don't blame them. Plus, they WOULD HAVE freed everybody if Putin negotiated and stopped the Chechen waras demanded. But he didn't. What he did is start an attack, perfectly knowing that people would die. The Russian president is to blame here. He's the evil, he's the monster. Not only is he an indirect child killer, he's also an open murderer. All his opponents die mysteriusly everyweek. Last week a journalist critical of him was poisoned....
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Post by Neo on Sept 9, 2004 11:56:59 GMT 3
Chirine, I just don't have the words to express how I really feel right now . I'm very sorry for U and your family, and although I have no idea how you must feel right now, I hope you'll have the strenght to get over this horrible tragedy... All my good wishes and thoughts. |
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Why don't they target sumthing that doesn't involve innocent children?!! This can only be considered as barbaric action by the Chechayns!!
