marti
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Post by marti on May 1, 2009 11:29:52 GMT 3
Do I understand correctly, the post below is an opnion and no way it may be qualified as a frustrated fan rant? If yes, then I'm a bit confused how to draw a line between an opnion and a fan rant...oh, whatever.
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Post by davis on May 1, 2009 13:00:10 GMT 3
*deep sigh* I was talking about fan-rants directed toward other members, insulting or bad-mouthing them. If I wasn't a fan I wouldn't be on this site, right?  But since I'm obviously not able to make myself clear, I'll simply delete all my old posts. Apparently it's better to stay off this site if I'm not able to be optimistic and positive 24/7. |
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Post by cowbell on May 1, 2009 13:04:01 GMT 3
".. Do you really think I want to hear "then don't watch him" or "keep your blood pressure down" just because I express my feelings - that I have a right to have, BTW?"
Please re-read my post - I'll make it easy for you:
"so why bother watching at all? it clearly can't be good for your blood pressure..."
I didn't tell you NOT to watch him , and I merely suggested that the overall impression of your post was that you were rather upset at the time...hence my reference to the potential effect on your blood pressure. I fail to see why any of my comments can be construed as a personal attack on you - questioning your opinion, - which I in no way dispute your right to have and voice. absolutely. just don't expect everyone to defer to you......this is a public forum and frankly, people can say what they want in whatever way they want - no-one is forced to read and or agree with everything written....in my opinion, jokingly or not, what you posted read like a fan-rant - and a pretty gratuitous on at that - Marat has cocked up three matches in a row - as Mary said - hardly the end of the world for anyone - even him - so everyone needs to chill - build a bridge, and get over it !
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Post by SAFINNO1 on May 1, 2009 17:01:28 GMT 3
Completely ignoring the posts preceding this!
I believe Marat is in Valencia and will be there till Madrid which starts on the 11th May
VAMOS MARAT!
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Post by theauntie on May 1, 2009 19:10:20 GMT 3
".. Do you really think I want to hear "then don't watch him" or "keep your blood pressure down" just because I express my feelings - that I have a right to have, BTW?" Please re-read my post - I'll make it easy for you: "so why bother watching at all? it clearly can't be good for your blood pressure..." I didn't tell you NOT to watch him , and I merely suggested that the overall impression of your post was that you were rather upset at the time...hence my reference to the potential effect on your blood pressure. I fail to see why any of my comments can be construed as a personal attack on you - questioning your opinion, - which I in no way dispute your right to have and voice. absolutely. just don't expect everyone to defer to you......this is a public forum and frankly, people can say what they want in whatever way they want - no-one is forced to read and or agree with everything written....in my opinion, jokingly or not, what you posted read like a fan-rant - and a pretty gratuitous on at that - Marat has cocked up three matches in a row - as Mary said - hardly the end of the world for anyone - even him - so everyone needs to chill - build a bridge, and get over it ! So, I don't normally write here and I don't know how much you (@cowbells) have been a fan of Marat and how long you have followed his career but Davis has, by all means, a very profound knowledge on the subject (ask the people who read here and know Marat personally) and perhaps you should consider that what she said she did not say without a reason and that perhaps it's time for a lot of fans to realise some sad truths. EDIT: And about this whole "it's his decision when he retires" and "why bother watching". I believe you have a strong misconception of the world of tennis. This is not fun or a hobby. This is serious business. Marat is deliberately taking away WCs from younger people who have a really hard time making it up there, believe me, only very few can live so well of it. Imagine you bought expensive tickets for the Opera. You love Opera. The night before, you see the star-tenor smoking and drinking. The next day, his performance is very unconvincing, he's squeeking and missing the notes. How would you feel? Would you say: "well, that's all his decision, it's not me to judge..."? Would you not get angry? Aren't you getting tired of seeing pictures like this i57.photobucket.com/albums/g220/nysegrl/3149_507326528036_162501529_3027948.jpg (thanks to MTF) after having paid half a fortune for a ticket and a hotel and food and gas? Do you have any idea how little Marat actually trains in comparison to other players? Have you ever seen how he warms up before practice? And have you seen Rafa or Roger? It's not surprising at all he's not up to it anymore. And that's not meant to be bashing or offensive. Fine with me if he doesn't want to play tennis, but then he doesn't have to take it out on his fans and his colleagues. Farewell Everybody. |
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Post by arwen21 on May 1, 2009 21:32:37 GMT 3
You are sooo right theauntie!!!
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marti
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Post by marti on May 1, 2009 21:52:38 GMT 3
theauntie, if we talk about last 3 matches Marat was leading but lost and I want to point out that the all the bashing started exactly after the last of them, not after some another of the matches where Marat really deserved bashing for lack of effort and poor form, So talking about those matches - Marat did play well in them, he wasn't in the poor form and spectators got the full entertaiment for their money with good tennis and much drama. Especially in the Lapenti match. His performance was rather convincing until the point he started choking.
Now regarding his practices, I didn't personally watch them, but I read enough of reports from different people where they said he was practicing pretty hard. Obviously there are off days for him, This doesn't exactly mean he practicing much less than an average top 20-30 player (I don't see why we should compare him to Roger or Rafa at this point).
Regarding the picture - it was made after he lost in Miami, so I don't see what's the problem.
And finally re WC. I know that my opinion won't be popular and I might be bashed for it. All players have to make it through. Marat didn't have in a easy way either, so those players who are really good and who are destined to do that they will. WC's often are given to ex-top players or to hopless young players who won't make good use of them anyway. Who decides that a player X deserves it more? Another argument is that actually by taking a WC Marat gives his spot in the MD to another player who wouldn't get there if Marat was in the entry list from the beginning. So why do you think that a player who didnt get a WC deserved the spot more than a player who got there thanks to Marat? So I don't care that Marat takes these WC though I do wish he planned his calendar properly.
P.S I have to clarify that even though I personally don't mind that much that Marat takes WC's, I do understand your point and it's pretty reasonable one. But apart from WC issue, the rest is just emotions. Marat is in top 30 now not thanks to WC's. The majority of the points he gained was from other tourmanents. I'd like to remind that when he couldn't get WC in Humburg last year he played qualies and won them. So he totally deserves his current place on the tour. He doesn't steal it from anyone no matter if he practicing a lot or not, smoking or not etc. He's in this 'serious business' rightfully.
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Post by marti on May 1, 2009 22:00:12 GMT 3
Oh, and by the way the whole argumennt started after Davis suggested in very colouful way that Marat should retire right now and that he better become an alcoholic than play proffesional tennis again. This opinion is rather questionable considering Marat is playing better now than he did last year and he's gonna to retore in the end of the year anyway. Its not like he will need a WC to play Madrid, RG etc, so no need to worry about young players who won't get WC because of Marat.
And nobody actually forces anyone to buy tickets to watch Marat. Any fan knows what has been going with Marat in the last few years so she'he can expect first round loss. Nobody to blame. Besides I'm sure that you can enjoy a lot of interesting action with other players for your money.
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Post by theauntie on May 2, 2009 9:42:05 GMT 3
Oh, and by the way the whole argumennt started after Davis suggested in very colouful way that Marat should retire right now and that he better become an alcoholic than play proffesional tennis again. This opinion is rather questionable considering Marat is playing better now than he did last year and he's gonna to retore in the end of the year anyway. Its not like he will need a WC to play Madrid, RG etc, so no need to worry about young players who won't get WC because of Marat. And nobody actually forces anyone to buy tickets to watch Marat. Any fan knows what has been going with Marat in the last few years so she'he can expect first round loss. Nobody to blame. Besides I'm sure that you can enjoy a lot of interesting action with other players for your money. You're one of those who'll never want to be enlightened I suppose. Nobody is forced? Well, nobody is forced to go to the cinema, or to the opera, or to a soccer match. When you buy a ticket you don't know who you will see playing but you want them all to perform. Not being able to finish a match is poor form. Marat's talent alone can make him play beautifully but lack of training equals lack of solutions and lack of confidence also. What I was hinting at is that perhaps, Marti and cowbells, there are some things better left unsaid about this whole thing, but that made Davis wish for Marat to become an alcoholic etc. Rather than calling for "maratical correctness" you should really be wondering what makes people like Davis and SAFINNO.1 who have a lot of inside views, so unwilling to support Marat like they so fervently did before... Another question? Why should any of you be "happy if he's happy"? That's not what he's paid for, that's not his job! He's a stranger to most of you and all you "have a right" to care about is his tennis performance and his team (imagine he was a racecare, who else would there be to blame?) and I'm pretty sure he'd agree on that, if the criticism was technical. I won't say no more... I see there's no point. |
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Post by cowbell on May 2, 2009 12:50:13 GMT 3
Dear theauntie, thanks so much for giving me a laugh - no, really, i found your posts absolutely hilarious !
- just for the record, I have followed Marat's career closely since 1999 in fact - all his ups and downs and dramas and my knowledge of tennis as a professional sport is as good as anyone who posts here - whether they claim personal 'knowledge' of Marat or not - and I don't believe anyone here claims to "know Marat personally" - do they?? ( although I think there are some of the moderators who get information from people connected to Marat's management - or did, anyway)
Irrespective of that, if you seriously think that Marat is under-prepared NOW - and that his level of play NOW is less than last year or worse, 2007 - then clearly I'm not the one who doesn't know what I am talking about - as you implied.
I agree with most of marti's reply. What has happened to MArat in his last three matches has absolutely NOTHING to do with his method pf preparation, level of fitness or his off-court activity - which is no different now than it was when he won the US Open in 2000 - other than the fact that he doesn't smoke so much these days....oh, and yes, I have seen him practice, train and play at close quarters and on several occasions - just so you know - and Marat does what works for MARAT - he is not, never was and never will be anything like Rafa or Roger - admirable though both of them are .
I have never bothered posting to a board before - but this has always seemed to be one of the more rational forums - but nobody 'owns' these boards - and no-one's opinion is 'better' or more informed or more valid than anyone else's - so your patronising comment : "You're one of those who'll never want to be enlightened I suppose." to marti is lost on me and doesn't reflect well on you - it's this implication that somehow 'you' or others posting on the board have 'inside' information or some kind of superior knowledge to others that makes them 'right' and others 'wrong' that really undermines this board's credibility - something this particular forum in general always maintained - until now.
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Post by cowbell on May 2, 2009 12:52:03 GMT 3
"*deep sigh* I was talking about fan-rants directed toward other members, insulting or bad-mouthing them."
even DEEPER sigh - so it's okay to rant, insult and bad-mouth MARAT - but not other posters on the board? Ah - silly me!! now i get it!!!
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Post by marti on May 2, 2009 13:09:24 GMT 3
Irrespective of that, if you seriously think that Marat is under-prepared NOW - and that his level of play NOW is less than last year or worse, 2007 - then clearly I'm not the one who doesn't know what I am talking about - as you implied. ''' What has happened to MArat in his last three matches has absolutely NOTHING to do with his method pf preparation, level of fitness or his off-court activity - This is exactly what I wanted to reply to our mysterious theauntie. The last time I checked it was 2009 not 2000 or 2002. Anyone who says that these days Marat can play beautifully and move so well on his talent alone is either delusional about his abilities or they just twist facts in order to prove their point. |
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Post by davis on May 2, 2009 13:22:15 GMT 3
Okay EVERYONE: points are made, positions are taken, this is going nowhere thematically - apart from becoming harsher and harsher.
The Rome tournament is over for Marat, let's move on to other topics. I'm going to lock this thread.
If you feel you have to bring your point across, use Private Messaging amongst each other.
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