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Post by yarina on Aug 27, 2008 1:41:48 GMT 3
I sadly was one of the unfortunate people who had the chance to watch all the Marat match and must say that was one of the SHITTEST matches i have ever watched - in all honesty i kept flicking to watch Tommy and Richie match which is a whole other topic - stunning Marat and Vince had no rhythm UE after UE, Marat second serve getting spanked - it was so boring and uneventful but TBF Marat in set 2 and 3 pushed his level abit which was good and then FOOTFAULT MANIA 2 BROKE OUT A line umpire from Vince's side of the court called a foot fault as he believed Marat had stepped onto the wrong side of the court - this was a 2nd serve at deuce 4-5 set 4 - Marat was furious and shouted WHAT! and sat on his chair asking Carlos Bernard for the supervisor to come and they started speaking in Spanish and then all i heard was ****ING DICKHEAD - Marat got a violation and then lost the point and the set BUT promisingly enough he used his anger and broke Vince early on in 5th set and sealed the Match. Next up Tommy Robredo - Marat can say bye bye to Flushing Meadows if there is a repeat performance COME ON MARAT! P.S As for the Dinara Interview God - give her a break - she's made her breakthrough in the tennis world - i reckon someone from TGFR was asking her them questions - being nosy! thanks for explaining the whole thing  I'll watch the replay tomorrow and have a more informed opinion about the level of the match - all I can say is that it was a 1st round, after a week of shitty practice, as everybody reported - so were we really expecting him to play well? It's lucky he won, if he'll lose next round, well, tough luck - shit happens- there will be other chances, and if not, well, then there were better matches to be remembered from him. On Dinara - they both sound very fond of each other and I guess they don't really mind being asked about one another: she definitely looks up to him and he is definitely proud of her - so there's nothing so wrong with asking those questions after all... she doesn't mind being his lil sis, I think - even more now when she has really great achievements: she does not need recognition from the journos to feel she's more than just his sis now... Anyway, I'll end on a cheesy note: I love how they speak about each other, it is really sweet: I have a sister which I really love the most and I totally empathize with them! |
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Post by sabz on Aug 27, 2008 1:53:53 GMT 3
WOW he is definitely yellow! lol  have to say, i am glad that eurosport showed richie and tommy's match (fab by the way! and very glad tommy won! he deserved it  ) i think marat's match would have cause me to have high blood pressure cant comment on the match as i didnt see it, but thanks to everyone's summaries - seems he will need to do a lot better against tommy poor dina on her interview, keep the questions about her! and as for marat's interview, i will read it when i get some sleep lol play better on thursday marat - i hope that isnt too much to ask  |
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Post by maratsmaiden on Aug 27, 2008 2:03:57 GMT 3
i was able to watch the 2nd half of the match, because the tv station went to the safin match at that time. although it obviously wasn't his best play, i have to say, it wasnt awful. his serve was lightning fast. he hit quite a few clear winners. and his play at the net was amazing - that was the best part of his game in my mind. yes, he broke down (and, being a highly volatile and emotional person myself, i completely understand), and yes, he should have taken him in four sets, but, when it mattered, marat was able to channel his frustration into a solid win in the 5th set. i was proud of him for that. i hope he can keep that composure for the next match.
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Post by coolgirl on Aug 27, 2008 4:43:54 GMT 3
Safin ... 'I don't want to fight anybody.' |
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Post by carol77 on Aug 27, 2008 9:17:49 GMT 3
I had a very entertaining evening, watching 2 matches simultaneously: Haas-Gasquet on TV and Marat-Spadea on Live Stream, with my sofa in the middle of the two.  Funny enough, both lasted 5 sets, and they even ended at around the same time...quote] It's really very funny.I'm not lucky as you were.I just watched the Live Stream and warmed myself that don't fall asleep. Fortunately,Marat smiled to the last.A win is a win.Regardless of the call of the footfault,just let it go and prepare for the match against Robredo. |
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Post by yarina on Aug 27, 2008 12:42:33 GMT 3
^^^ Anette, sorry to be a pain, but will continue defending him  . So, let me get this straight: the wrong person calls the FF - even if that person were allowed to call a ff on Marat, obviously, he could not be sure about it, since he was on the other side of the court - Marat loses the point in an important part of the match, but he should still go back to read the rules, even if they won't help him in any way, since they were wrongly applied here? First of all, rules are bent in many cases: how many times was a player allowed to challenge after they've hit their shot? How many times players don't get anything beyond a warning for taking too much time between serves? These are rules also, they are not respected many many times and nobody has a problem with that. I generally agree that rules should be obeyed, however, it would be better if people judged the individual situations, like they do in the time between serves case: it was an important point and they made a very questionable call - why would they, really? I agree he sounds like he's whining a bit too much about it: but that's the way he's always been and he is never going to change. However, I do not understand why officials can be wrong, because they are human, and players are supposed to suck it up, to show maturity? They are also human and hence prone to mistakes or less mature/polite behaviour... |
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Post by yarina on Aug 27, 2008 13:04:50 GMT 3
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Post by Natasha on Aug 27, 2008 13:41:33 GMT 3
im with marat with this one again
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Post by lena on Aug 27, 2008 13:56:07 GMT 3
An academic approach to the foot fault. ;D The ATP Rulebook has the following regulations: Foot FaultDuring the service motion, the server shall not: a. Change position by walking or running, although slight movements of the feet are permitted; or b. Touch the baseline or the court with either foot; or c. Touch the area outside the imaginary extension of the sideline with either foot; or d. Touch the imaginary extension of the centre mark with either foot. If the server breaks this rule it is a “Foot Fault”. Examples:Case 1: In a singlesmatch, is the server allowed to serve standing behind the part of the baseline between the singles sideline and the doubles sideline?
Decision: No.
Case 2: Is the server allowed to have one or both feet off the ground?
Decision: Yes.In matches where line umpires and net umpires are assigned, they make all calls (including foot-fault calls) relating to that line or net. The chair umpire has the right to overrule a line umpire or a net umpire if the chair umpire is sure that a clear mistake has been made. The chair umpire is responsible for calling any line (including foot-faults) or net where no line umpire or net umpire is assigned. Base, side and center service Line Umpires call "Foot Faults" on their respective lines. Foot faults are never called until the serve is struck Exception:Early Foot fault CallCase: The baseline umpire calls a foot fault on the server prior to him hitting a first serve. The server continues with his motion and hits the serve into the net.
Decision: First serve awarded. It is not a foot fault until the ball has been struck. Therefore, the call is erroneous and the line umpire has hindered the server.As entertaining as Marat's rantings in the post-match interview were, he maybe should read the rules as well in a quiet minute. Warnings are definitely not required. Whether the calls were according to the rules stated above is another matter (it seems e.g. that the wrong linesman called the FF). Still, just suck it up and be a man! And keep your feet off the lines... oh, I love your post Annette on the one hand I can understand Marats frustration about FF call, but on the other hand as I have seen in Hamburg, he sometimes is very close to the line To defend Marats frustration, Carlos Bernades and the Supervisor should have rejected the call, because it came from the wrong Linesman !!! This is for me the more embrassing part of the story  You just have only a few umpire, who are not only count points and doing there job as an umpire Best example Karder Nouni !!! ;D ;D worst example: to many and many thanks to usopen.org for showing complete video of press-conference ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by coolgirl on Aug 27, 2008 14:28:44 GMT 3
Gosh, he is such a charming man...I mean , if only he uses his smile to the linesmen than maybe they wont call his footfaults again. |
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Post by marti on Aug 27, 2008 14:40:55 GMT 3
There is unwritten rule that you don't call foot fault on second serve at the crucial moments of the match. btw Tusrunov on his site forum after Cincy match wrote that linesman "screwed Marat" As Marat said in his interview , players in the locker room would be totally on his side. Also, even there is nothing about warnings in the rules, but I suppose this is something from unwritten rules, becuase Tursunov in his post match press in Cincy aslo said that Marat should have been warned before calling FF. Marat rant was mostlly about it's time to make some changes. Even though I hate when he acts lite this but I think he had good reasons to get mad.
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Post by justsafin on Aug 27, 2008 15:26:03 GMT 3
Thanks yarina!! ;D Thanks Annette for posting the FF rule! I guess Marat is forgiven, cuz I saw a smile pic following Marat's results. ;D ;D Wow, I am curious and if possible would like to conduct a small research as to how many players actually know all the details. I am doing health science research all the time. Endless analysis and interpretations, BORED. This one is more intriguing to me He said " expecting me to be nice in press conference" (stuff like that)...Just watched itw, he was kinda nice and patiently explained (whined) about his frustration and raising some points that he thinks needed to be changed or thought about. That sounds fair (to me). And yes, Marat should read the rules, respect and obey. Yet being on tour for so long, Marat, along with most players are familiar with what rules are often causing them trouble whereas what are usually ignored or with like unwritten consensus between players/ump. I guess FF on second serve call is one of the latter. So he asks people to review and do something about it. That is reasonable (again, to me). By warning, I guess Marat meant to tell him to be careful. I have seen umps communicate with players during play. That's pretty common. In tennis, there are quite a few gray areas as to the linesmen/upm just let'em go or stick with them. I wonder why some are strictly executed than the others. Rules are rules. If that's the case, then any complaint is not worth considering. If not, maybe, some actions can be taken to make things better. So glad Marat and Dinara both advanced. My presentation went smoothly and my heartburn is minor now. ;D And Marat, stay as away from the line becuz even linesmen from the other side can see it, alright? (I suppose the linesmen should pay much of their attention to THEIR side, no?  ) Ready for 2nd round kicking off!! ;D ;D ;D DAVAI DINARA AND MARAT! |
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Post by sabz on Aug 27, 2008 16:43:27 GMT 3
have to say, watching it on a video is much better than reading it. you cant help but forgive him when you see him smiling and laughing and annette thank you for your academic approach to the foot fault hehe |
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Post by SAFINNO1 on Aug 27, 2008 16:48:28 GMT 3
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Post by SAFINNO1 on Aug 27, 2008 16:57:29 GMT 3
There is unwritten rule that you don't call foot fault on second serve at the crucial moments of the match This is what i believe Marat is referring to and having worked with officials at Wimbledon they tell me its a player-umpire relationship thing that if he is foot faulting the Umpire will just warn him that your close to the line and if u do it again you will be foot faulted - Really this should not be allowed but i think they dont want to ruin the game with a stupid foot fault call but yet that Umpire should never have called it and would have loved to see Jonny Mac's reaction to it. Thanks Anette for starting this intellectual discussion LOL |
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