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Post by bia2209 on Oct 6, 2006 1:22:21 GMT 3
I'm so fed up, disgusted, pissed off, everything ! I have enough to have to watch him losing all those close matches by playing so poorly the important points ! Really Marat, next time wait to be at least in the semi finals to tell everybody you're here to win the tournament... Okay now it's official : i'm upset and mad at him... Tomorrow for sure i'll be more nice with him but now too much is too much really ! Let's think about this clearly. The waiting for the match to start, the tough, tight sets, Marat not playing his best tennis on the important points. The frustration, the tiredness, the sense of deja vu, and yes the anger and disappointment of ANOTHER pre mature loss, in a year that has totally disturbed by injuries, by doubts, by his own admission by problems on and off the court. Consider all that, and think who is more affected by this. As much as we love him and feel for him and want what is best for him, do all of these things that i talked about after us more than they do him?? I don't think so. I think he is the first person to suffer and be angry and disappointed. Getting mad at Marat serves no purpose. He will always be his own worst critic. Getting fed up or being disgusted becasue he lost one game is like kicking a puppy. It shows a distinct lack of compassion for him and what he must be going through. Putting how you feel before stopping to think how he feels is just selfish. |
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Post by carole on Oct 6, 2006 1:31:26 GMT 3
I'm so fed up, disgusted, pissed off, everything ! I have enough to have to watch him losing all those close matches by playing so poorly the important points ! Really Marat, next time wait to be at least in the semi finals to tell everybody you're here to win the tournament... Okay now it's official : i'm upset and mad at him... Tomorrow for sure i'll be more nice with him but now too much is too much really ! Let's think about this clearly. The waiting for the match to start, the tough, tight sets, Marat not playing his best tennis on the important points. The frustration, the tiredness, the sense of deja vu, and yes the anger and disappointment of ANOTHER pre mature loss, in a year that has totally disturbed by injuries, by doubts, by his own admission by problems on and off the court. Consider all that, and think who is more affected by this. As much as we love him and feel for him and want what is best for him, do all of these things that i talked about after us more than they do him?? I don't think so. I think he is the first person to suffer and be angry and disappointed. Getting mad at Marat serves no purpose. He will always be his own worst critic. Getting fed up or being disgusted becasue he lost one game is like kicking a puppy. It shows a distinct lack of compassion for him and what he must be going through. Putting how you feel before stopping to think how he feels is just selfish. Sorry but some times i guess we have the right to say that he's going on our nerves... Basically i'm following all his matches and i sometimes need to let it go a little bit... And for sure i'm the first to know that he must be disappointed and everything but it's not a reason not to be able to say that he's tending to lose the same kind of matches every time these days... And basically i really don't need to be given moral lessons thank you very much... You know after that kind of matches coaches are not telling to their guy "poor puppy, just come here to get a hug"! Sometimes you have to shake the player a little bit if you want him to get out of the losing way... It's not a lack of compassion, on the contrary it's telling "you deserve much better than doing that to yourself so take your responsibilities"... If i was lacking of compassion i wouldn't have been here in front of that damned scoreboard biting my fingers in hoping he'll win... For sure it's much easier to say "it's not a big deal", "poor tired honey, it's not your fault"... Obviously he's tired, obviously it's tough for him and honnestly he would have lost 2 and 2 i wouldn't have been upset at all... That's not the loss, that's the way of the loss that's upsetting me because it shows that he didn't solve the issues he had since a long time now and i want him to do great FOR HIMSELF because HE DESERVES IT SO MUCH... I don't want to pity him because it's not going to help at all, he doesn't need that in my opinion... |
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Post by Addie on Oct 6, 2006 1:38:07 GMT 3
Let's think about this clearly. The waiting for the match to start, the tough, tight sets, Marat not playing his best tennis on the important points. The frustration, the tiredness, the sense of deja vu, and yes the anger and disappointment of ANOTHER pre mature loss, in a year that has totally disturbed by injuries, by doubts, by his own admission by problems on and off the court. Consider all that, and think who is more affected by this. As much as we love him and feel for him and want what is best for him, do all of these things that i talked about after us more than they do him?? I don't think so. I think he is the first person to suffer and be angry and disappointed. Getting mad at Marat serves no purpose. He will always be his own worst critic. Getting fed up or being disgusted becasue he lost one game is like kicking a puppy. It shows a distinct lack of compassion for him and what he must be going through. Putting how you feel before stopping to think how he feels is just selfish. Sorry but some times i guess we have the right to say that he's going on our nerves... Basically i'm following all his matches and i sometimes need to let it go a little bit... And for sure i'm the first to know that he must be disappointed and everything but it's not a reason not to be able to say that he's tending to lose the same kind of matches every time these days... And basically i really don't need to be given moral lessons thank you very much... You know after that kind of matches coaches are not telling to their guy "poor puppy, just come here to get a hug"! Sometimes you have to shake the player a little bit if you want him to get out of the losing way... It's not a lack of compassion, on the contrary it's telling "you deserve much better than doing that to yourself so take your responsibilities"... If i was lacking of compassion i wouldn't have been here in front of that damned scoreboard biting my fingers in hoping he'll win... For sure it's much easier to say "it's not a big deal", "poor tired honey, it's not your fault"... Obviously he's tired, obviously it's tough for him and honnestly he would have lost 2 and 2 i wouldn't have been upset at all... That's not the loss, that's the way of the loss that's upsetting me because it shows that he didn't solve the issues he had since a long time now and i want him to do great FOR HIMSELF because HE DESERVES IT SO MUCH... I don't want to pity him because it's not going to help at all, he doesn't need that in my opinion... No one's giving you moral lessons, although you do need them. But what we're trying to instill in you is common sense and respect for a player that you're supposed to be supportive of. |
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Post by Taylor on Oct 6, 2006 1:39:16 GMT 3
I'm so fed up, disgusted, pissed off, everything ! I have enough to have to watch him losing all those close matches by playing so poorly the important points ! Really Marat, next time wait to be at least in the semi finals to tell everybody you're here to win the tournament... Okay now it's official : i'm upset and mad at him... Tomorrow for sure i'll be more nice with him but now too much is too much really ! Let's think about this clearly. The waiting for the match to start, the tough, tight sets, Marat not playing his best tennis on the important points. The frustration, the tiredness, the sense of deja vu, and yes the anger and disappointment of ANOTHER pre mature loss, in a year that has totally disturbed by injuries, by doubts, by his own admission by problems on and off the court. Consider all that, and think who is more affected by this. As much as we love him and feel for him and want what is best for him, do all of these things that i talked about after us more than they do him?? I don't think so. I think he is the first person to suffer and be angry and disappointed. Getting mad at Marat serves no purpose. He will always be his own worst critic. Getting fed up or being disgusted becasue he lost one game is like kicking a puppy. It shows a distinct lack of compassion for him and what he must be going through. Putting how you feel before stopping to think how he feels is just selfish. I agree with you Bia. It's a tough loss, BUT we (as Marat fans) should stay positive, even when he's not playing his best tennis. That's what being SAF-FANS ;D ;D is all about...taking the good with the not so great. Good luck for next week Marat!! |
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Post by carole on Oct 6, 2006 1:44:40 GMT 3
Sorry but some times i guess we have the right to say that he's going on our nerves... Basically i'm following all his matches and i sometimes need to let it go a little bit... And for sure i'm the first to know that he must be disappointed and everything but it's not a reason not to be able to say that he's tending to lose the same kind of matches every time these days... And basically i really don't need to be given moral lessons thank you very much... You know after that kind of matches coaches are not telling to their guy "poor puppy, just come here to get a hug"! Sometimes you have to shake the player a little bit if you want him to get out of the losing way... It's not a lack of compassion, on the contrary it's telling "you deserve much better than doing that to yourself so take your responsibilities"... If i was lacking of compassion i wouldn't have been here in front of that damned scoreboard biting my fingers in hoping he'll win... For sure it's much easier to say "it's not a big deal", "poor tired honey, it's not your fault"... Obviously he's tired, obviously it's tough for him and honnestly he would have lost 2 and 2 i wouldn't have been upset at all... That's not the loss, that's the way of the loss that's upsetting me because it shows that he didn't solve the issues he had since a long time now and i want him to do great FOR HIMSELF because HE DESERVES IT SO MUCH... I don't want to pity him because it's not going to help at all, he doesn't need that in my opinion... No one's giving you moral lessons, although you do need them. But what we're trying to instill in you is common sense and respect for a player that you're supposed to be supportive of. I have all the respect of the world for him believe me and since ages ! Really it's a bit disappointing to be judged and talked like that just because i'm expressing my feelings... I don't see where is the lack of common sense in what i said anyway... And i'm really supportive : i was in RG during that loss against Gonzalez and i cried with him, i was watching that loss at the last US Open against Haas and i was so sad for him but sometimes i feel like it's not useless to point out the fact that he's not doing what he has to do in some important points... I was not blaming him at the French Open because he was unable at this time to do better, but today he could have but missed... Don't judge people too fast... |
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Post by bia2209 on Oct 6, 2006 1:45:17 GMT 3
Let's think about this clearly. The waiting for the match to start, the tough, tight sets, Marat not playing his best tennis on the important points. The frustration, the tiredness, the sense of deja vu, and yes the anger and disappointment of ANOTHER pre mature loss, in a year that has totally disturbed by injuries, by doubts, by his own admission by problems on and off the court. Consider all that, and think who is more affected by this. As much as we love him and feel for him and want what is best for him, do all of these things that i talked about after us more than they do him?? I don't think so. I think he is the first person to suffer and be angry and disappointed. Getting mad at Marat serves no purpose. He will always be his own worst critic. Getting fed up or being disgusted becasue he lost one game is like kicking a puppy. It shows a distinct lack of compassion for him and what he must be going through. Putting how you feel before stopping to think how he feels is just selfish. Sorry but some times i guess we have the right to say that he's going on our nerves... Basically i'm following all his matches and i sometimes need to let it go a little bit... And for sure i'm the first to know that he must be disappointed and everything but it's not a reason not to be able to say that he's tending to lose the same kind of matches every time these days... And basically i really don't need to be given moral lessons thank you very much... You know after that kind of matches coaches are not telling to their guy "poor puppy, just come here to get a hug"! Sometimes you have to shake the player a little bit if you want him to get out of the losing way... It's not a lack of compassion, on the contrary it's telling "you deserve much better than doing that to yourself so take your responsibilities"... If i was lacking of compassion i wouldn't have been here in front of that damned scoreboard biting my fingers in hoping he'll win... For sure it's much easier to say "it's not a big deal", "poor tired honey, it's not your fault"... Obviously he's tired, obviously it's tough for him and honnestly he would have lost 2 and 2 i wouldn't have been upset at all... That's not the loss, that's the way of the loss that's upsetting me because it shows that he didn't solve the issues he had since a lo,g time now and i want him to do great FOR HIMSELF because HE DESERVES IT SO MUCH... I don't want to pity him because it's not going to help at all, he doesn't need that in my opinion... I am not giving you moral lessons. That was not my intention at all. Your morals or lack of them is none of my business. Neither am I saying that we should all go around feeling sorry for Marat becasue he can't win a match these days. What I am saying, like Anushka and Nat said, is that when he does lose, there is no point ragging on him like you do. This isn't the first time either. Now if that is the way that you handle things than fine. But don't blame those of us who find it annoying for saying so |
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Post by carole on Oct 6, 2006 1:53:49 GMT 3
Sorry but some times i guess we have the right to say that he's going on our nerves... Basically i'm following all his matches and i sometimes need to let it go a little bit... And for sure i'm the first to know that he must be disappointed and everything but it's not a reason not to be able to say that he's tending to lose the same kind of matches every time these days... And basically i really don't need to be given moral lessons thank you very much... You know after that kind of matches coaches are not telling to their guy "poor puppy, just come here to get a hug"! Sometimes you have to shake the player a little bit if you want him to get out of the losing way... It's not a lack of compassion, on the contrary it's telling "you deserve much better than doing that to yourself so take your responsibilities"... If i was lacking of compassion i wouldn't have been here in front of that damned scoreboard biting my fingers in hoping he'll win... For sure it's much easier to say "it's not a big deal", "poor tired honey, it's not your fault"... Obviously he's tired, obviously it's tough for him and honnestly he would have lost 2 and 2 i wouldn't have been upset at all... That's not the loss, that's the way of the loss that's upsetting me because it shows that he didn't solve the issues he had since a lo,g time now and i want him to do great FOR HIMSELF because HE DESERVES IT SO MUCH... I don't want to pity him because it's not going to help at all, he doesn't need that in my opinion... I am not giving you moral lessons. That was not my intention at all. Your morals or lack of them is none of my business. Neither am I saying that we should all go around feeling sorry for Marat becasue he can't win a match these days. What I am saying, like Anushka and Nat said, is that when he does lose, there is no point ragging on him like you do. This isn't the first time either. Now if that is the way that you handle things than fine. But don't blame those of us who find it annoying for saying so I'm not blaming anybody, just noticing... And saying "i'm mad at you" is not ragging at all, it's like "you're driving me crazy", the same when i say "i'm disgusted", that's not "marat, you disgust me", but "i'm disgusted by the way it has been lost"... Some people cry, some do anything and some are yelling "damn match, damn point..." that doesn't mean they're worse than the other, that's just a way to react in the action... After a loss, some players just take their things and go, some others break rackets and shout loud... If everybody was reacting the same to everything and if there was a "perfect" way to react which would be universally approved, it would be known since ages... |
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Post by Addie on Oct 6, 2006 1:54:30 GMT 3
No one's giving you moral lessons, although you do need them. But what we're trying to instill in you is common sense and respect for a player that you're supposed to be supportive of. I have all the respect of the world for him believe me and since ages ! Really it's a bit disappointing to be judged and talked like that just because i'm expressing my feelings... I don't see where is the lack of common sense in what i said anyway... And i'm really supportive : i was in RG during that loss against Gonzalez and i cried with him, i was watching that loss at the last US Open against Haas and i was so sad for him but sometimes i feel like it's not useless to point out the fact that he's not doing what he has to do in some important points... I was not blaming him at the French Open because he was unable at this time to do better, but today he could have but missed... Don't judge people too fast... Common sense? How much sense does it make that you say you support Marat but when he gets in a bind you berate him? Okay, so maybe saying you have a lack of common sense wasn't the correct wording. I should have said you're a hypocrit, but that can't be changed now. And concerning me judging you too fast, you're completely wrong. You've been putting Marat through the shredder after every loss he's had. And I've sat back and ignored it, but we're all getting tired of it. I always know what I'm doing, because I know I'm right. No one wants to deal with your constant hypocrisy. |
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Post by bia2209 on Oct 6, 2006 2:00:57 GMT 3
I have all the respect of the world for him believe me and since ages ! Really it's a bit disappointing to be judged and talked like that just because i'm expressing my feelings... I don't see where is the lack of common sense in what i said anyway... And i'm really supportive : i was in RG during that loss against Gonzalez and i cried with him, i was watching that loss at the last US Open against Haas and i was so sad for him but sometimes i feel like it's not useless to point out the fact that he's not doing what he has to do in some important points... I was not blaming him at the French Open because he was unable at this time to do better, but today he could have but missed... Don't judge people too fast... Common sense? How much sense does it make that you say you support Marat but when he gets in a bind you berate him? Okay, so maybe saying you have a lack of common sense wasn't the correct wording. I should have said you're a hypocrit, but that can't be changed now. And concerning me judging you too fast, you're completely wrong. You've been putting Marat through the shredder after every loss he's had. And I've sat back and ignored it, but we're all getting tired of it. I always know what I'm doing, because I know I'm right. No one wants to deal with your constant hypocrisy. I am with Nat on this. We are not disputing your right to deal with Marat's losses how you want, Carole. Scream, shout, pull your hair out, do whatever you want. The point is, that there are some of us who dislike the way you react on this board after Marat loses. As Nat said, no one has said anything until now, but quite frankly it's getting old. Obviously this is a free forum. You can say whatever you like. But so can we. |
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Post by carole on Oct 6, 2006 2:04:18 GMT 3
I have all the respect of the world for him believe me and since ages ! Really it's a bit disappointing to be judged and talked like that just because i'm expressing my feelings... I don't see where is the lack of common sense in what i said anyway... And i'm really supportive : i was in RG during that loss against Gonzalez and i cried with him, i was watching that loss at the last US Open against Haas and i was so sad for him but sometimes i feel like it's not useless to point out the fact that he's not doing what he has to do in some important points... I was not blaming him at the French Open because he was unable at this time to do better, but today he could have but missed... Don't judge people too fast... Common sense? How much sense does it make that you say you support Marat but when he gets in a bind you berate him? Okay, so maybe saying you have a lack of common sense wasn't the correct wording. I should have said you're a hypocrit, but that can't be changed now. And concerning me judging you too fast, you're completely wrong. You've been putting Marat through the shredder after every loss he's had. And I've sat back and ignored it, but we're all getting tired of it. I always know what I'm doing, because I know I'm right. No one wants to deal with your constant hypocrisy. Okay now you're going a bit too far sorry... My constant hypocrisis ?? Well i must have missed someting here... And i'm not the only one here who's getting mad at his losses, that's not a question of "the one who get mad at him don't love him" ! I'm cheering for him everytime when he's playing but i don't see where the issue is to turn a bit mad when he's losing matches like that... If i didn't care about him i didn't even bother of his loss... No really you're going a bit too far now... But now i see your point and next time i won't speak my mind because it seems that there's a sole way of reacting wich is tolerated. I don't remember having been rude with any member of this site, i'm always enjoying coming here because it's a place you can express feelings and points of view with anybody... Anyway, i'll be again in front of Marat's next match, wishing him the best because that's the only thing that count, that he finds the way again... |
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Post by Addie on Oct 6, 2006 2:10:05 GMT 3
Common sense? How much sense does it make that you say you support Marat but when he gets in a bind you berate him? Okay, so maybe saying you have a lack of common sense wasn't the correct wording. I should have said you're a hypocrit, but that can't be changed now. And concerning me judging you too fast, you're completely wrong. You've been putting Marat through the shredder after every loss he's had. And I've sat back and ignored it, but we're all getting tired of it. I always know what I'm doing, because I know I'm right. No one wants to deal with your constant hypocrisy. Okay now you're going a bit too far sorry... My constant hypocrisis ?? Well i must have missed someting here... And i'm not the only one here who's getting mad at his losses, that's not a question of "the one who get mad at him don't love him" ! I'm cheering for him everytime when he's playing but i don't see where the issue is to turn a bit mad when he's losing matches like that... If i didn't care about him i didn't even bother of his loss... No really you're going a bit too far now... But now i see your point and next time i won't speak my mind because it seems that there's a sole way of reacting wich is tolerated. I don't remember having been rude with any member of this site, i'm always enjoying coming here because it's a place you can express feelings and points of view with anybody... Anyway, i'll be again in front of Marat's next match, wishing him the best because that's the only thing that count, that he finds the way again... Honey, you've missed more than your hypocrisy. Like Bia said, it's your right to say how you feel anyway you want to. But we can do the same. And I definitely will use my right to do that. |
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Post by LaFFy TaFFy on Oct 6, 2006 2:10:53 GMT 3
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Post by bia2209 on Oct 6, 2006 2:16:09 GMT 3
Common sense? How much sense does it make that you say you support Marat but when he gets in a bind you berate him? Okay, so maybe saying you have a lack of common sense wasn't the correct wording. I should have said you're a hypocrit, but that can't be changed now. And concerning me judging you too fast, you're completely wrong. You've been putting Marat through the shredder after every loss he's had. And I've sat back and ignored it, but we're all getting tired of it. I always know what I'm doing, because I know I'm right. No one wants to deal with your constant hypocrisy. Okay now you're going a bit too far sorry... My constant hypocrisis ?? Well i must have missed someting here... And i'm not the only one here who's getting mad at his losses, that's not a question of "the one who get mad at him don't love him" ! I'm cheering for him everytime when he's playing but i don't see where the issue is to turn a bit mad when he's losing matches like that... If i didn't care about him i didn't even bother of his loss... No really you're going a bit too far now... But now i see your point and next time i won't speak my mind because it seems that there's a sole way of reacting wich is tolerated. I don't remember having been rude with any member of this site, i'm always enjoying coming here because it's a place you can express feelings and points of view with anybody... Anyway, i'll be again in front of Marat's next match, wishing him the best because that's the only thing that count, that he finds the way again... You a missing the point a bit, I think. We are not questioning whether or not you love Marat or how much you support him. All we are saying is that it is bizarre to us how GIVEN the fact that you care so much about him and how is playing (that is what you said) that you can be so hard on him. I mean everynow and again like you said he needs a kick up the pants. But with you it is constant. Every single time he loses you rip him to pieces. Like i said before, if that is the way you handle things, it is YOUR problem. Nat and I happen to disagree with your postion so fine. There are people that agree with us and others that agree with you. Fine. We agree to disagree. At the end of the day, Marat is what matters. And if you have as much faith in him as you say you do, then you will not find anyone here to hold that against you. Certainly not me. |
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Post by carole on Oct 6, 2006 2:17:04 GMT 3
And i'll be glad to discuss with the "some of us" that you're quoting and who are disliking my behaviour apparently. I'm always glad to exchange points of view with people anytime. I have no problem with that really... All of us are not again reacting the same way and that's what is interesting in a forum... For sure here is a cheering forum and it's fantastic to bring a lot of support to Marat but i was thinking that it was also a place to tell after matches how you feel... But if it appears to provoke that kind of reaction, next time i'll be only dying in front of the scoreboard in the matches discussion thread with other who are turning mad on each BP missed, no problem...
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Post by Addie on Oct 6, 2006 2:19:55 GMT 3
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